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pontins has gone bust

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:28 pm
by minehead forever
breaking news this evening,for some reason i wasn't totally surprised to hear this,i felt its been on the cards for a while now,the much mooted talks of major revamping was just smoke to hide the cracks.

sad news though

PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:52 pm
by pushbutton
Story on BBC news site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11748317

Seems like there is still some genuine hope, but that's all it is. I think I can safely predict that if the company survives (and it's a fairly big "if" at the moment) there will almost certainly be a further one or two camps closed and sold off as redevelopment land, to inject further cash into the company.

Of course we've seen this happen to Butlin's throughout the 1980s, with gradually decreasing numbers of camps, always done with a positive spin saying the money raised from selling the underperforming camps will be used to make the remaining camps "better".

The end result with Butlin's as we have all seen was that the money was invested into the remaining camps, but it didn't make them better, it made them not as good, but more profitable, which at the end of the day was a good thing because it ensured that the company remained profitable, and so at least we still have 3 camps open now.

Whether the same will happen with Pontins I don't honestly know, but it's a somewhat different situation in some ways so we'll have to wait and see. What I do know is their remaining camps desperately need a lot of investment it they are to remain open much longer, far more so than Butlin's ever did!

I do hope Pontins will still be around in some form or other for the future though, even though I've never stayed there.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:01 pm
by Joker
More here
Owners blaming the bank

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -22715836/

Joker

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:40 am
by pushbutton
57 companies are queueing up to buy Pontins apparently, so it looks like all is not lost for Pontins fans.
http://www.butlinsmemories.com/forums/s ... post145887

Even though I am certain Butlin's will always be way ahead of Pontins, it's good to have some healthy competition in the market.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:48 pm
by Joker
Is it a way of keeping the public booking. Would you give money to a company in administration for goods or services months ahead ? We all know the little man in the street is the last in the queue when a company goes bust.

Is Bourne one of the 57 ? An all new Butlins a Southport would be good, pity its a bit late for Blackpool.

Joker

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:24 pm
by minehead forever
Just read in the liverpool daily post that butlins are preparing a bid for pontins.question has got to be why!.pontins is so run down,what would butlins benefit from owning the brand.the camps couldn't be re branded as butlins as it would ruin the butlins name.and to upgrade them to the quality of the butlins resorts would cost so much that it would be cheaper to build skylines at primrose valley,craig tara and hafan y mor and give us what we all want.
Just hope that the media is so badly misguided that it just assumes butlins would want to be associated with a tired brand.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/ldp ... -27731703/

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:09 pm
by pushbutton
I see that report is also in the Mirror (I just googled "Butlins buy Pontins").

Well I would imagine what is more likely is probably that Bourne Leisure rather than Butlins as such might have expressed an interest. Given that Butlins apparently refused to comment to the Mirror I would say that more or less confirms that this has happened, but as I said it's probably more likely Bourne Leisure than Butlins who have expressed an interest.

I can't really see any of the Pontins sites becoming Butlins, but potentially they could become Haven, or (and this would probably be better) Bourne Leisure could just buy the Pontins business as it is and continue to run it as Pontins, although I'm sure they'd spend a fair bit of money on the camps to improve accommodation and other facilities.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:44 pm
by minehead forever
i still struggle to see why bourne would be interested in pontins.as you say push its more than likely bourne maybe bidding for pontins rather than butlins.
but thats partly the problem with the media,bourne isn't a name they would use,its always the butlins name they use.so if bourne buy pontins and they were to continue to get bad reviews,it would always be butlins name getting the bad news in the press as the owner of pontins,all the money bourne has spent on the butlins brand,clearing it of the hi de hi image would of been wasted,remember the posh press hate butlins.
what would bourne do with pontins,in my view changing the camps to butlins is out of the question,pontins name staying is possible but the accomodation is in avery bad state so the cost to upgrade or rebuild accom would be immense,so maybe demolish the accom and but caravans in,then in all honesty your left with a camp which resembles haven,so why not go all the way and rebrand the pontins camps as haven.
for me this is the most plausible,the pontins name at the moment is damaged,why gamble and keep it.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:14 am
by pushbutton
If Bourne Leisure bought Pontins I am pretty sure they'd either use the Haven name or the Pontins name, not Butlin's.

Yes the Pontins name is damaged, but to a lesser extent you could say that the Butlins name was a bit damaged when Bourne Leisure bought it, and initially they didn't want Butlins but it came in the group along with Haven which they did want.

However by investing in Butlins and gradually working to improve perceptions of it they have managed not only to improve the public reputation of Butlins as it was when they bought it, but to even successfully bring back the original logo and redcoat uniforms along with other old Butlins traditions, without anyone thinking it's old-fashioned!

Maybe they can do something similar with Pontins and revitalise the brand to improve its image.

Having said that, if Bourne Leisure owned Pontins it would mean one company owned all the major holiday parks / camps in Britain, which is perhaps not the ideal situation.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:58 pm
by minehead forever
hopefully some good news,i've not been shy about the fact that i saw the idea of butlins or bourne taking on pontins a bad idea and hopefully the link to a southport newspaper puts the idea to bed.

http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/south ... -27740758/

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:56 am
by pushbutton
I would probably agree that it's good Bourne won't be buying Pontins, for the reason I've already said (it would create a virtual monopoly on UK holiday camps).

If there were no other potential buyers I'd prefer that Bourne bought Pontins rather than Pontins just closing down but since there's supposedly now 40 potential buyers, it looks very hopeful that at least one of those companies has what it takes to run Pontins profitably and update the camps as needed to ensure their long term viability.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:10 pm
by Joker
I can't say I'm shocked that Boure don't want Pontins Southport I delivered there once and it wasn't a nice place at all. Also a mates wife took her kids for a weekend last year as a surprise. And what a surprise they got. After three filthy rundown chalets and a lot of complaining they were back home for lunch Saturday. I still get the pleasure of saying "I told you so"?

It's just a thought but wheres that guy who was planning on opening a retro holiday camp? Now has to be his best chance.

Joker

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:11 pm
by minehead forever
exactly the point alex,to me the pontins sites have decayed past the point of being able to be brought back to a standard that is expected of the modern customer,with centre parks the haven sites and now the modern butlins,these are all clean and appealling places to holiday,and pontins in comparison looks just like a slumb,no wonder booking numbers were dramatically down,investment was zero.with the present economic climate,pontins like the other companies should of been laughing all the way to the bank.
like you i've seen the weekly demolition of blackpool and although it was only closed a year ago,it looked like it had been shut a decade,its age was clear for everyone to see,and like i've said pontins made big noises of big changes to venues and accomodation but the money they talked of spending wouldn't of paid for a repaint never mind gutting and renovating the facilities to decent standards.
pontins probably new a year ago they could be heading for trouble,thats why they made such a fuss about the investment to con people into booking thinking they would get a better product.
i can only think the sites viability is in the way of a caravan holiday were all present accom is bulldozed and with upgraded ents venues they might stand a chance.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:32 pm
by pushbutton
Joker wrote:I can't say I'm shocked that Boure don't want Pontins Southport I delivered there once and it wasn't a nice place at all. Also a mates wife took her kids for a weekend last year as a surprise. And what a surprise they got. After three filthy rundown chalets and a lot of complaining they were back home for lunch Saturday. I still get the pleasure of saying "I told you so"?

It's just a thought but wheres that guy who was planning on opening a retro holiday camp? Now has to be his best chance.

Joker


You're thinking of Paul "Spike" Bowler who runs this facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/gro ... 9434933303

It all seems to have gone quiet recently though so I don't know what's happening with that project. I hope it's still gonna go ahead. I also suggested he might try to get his hands on the Atherfield Bay camp in the Isle of Wight which closed in 2007. It is the one that featured in the channel 4 documentary "Wakey Wakey Campers".
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/sho ... hp?t=45978
http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/sh ... hp?t=14547

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:39 pm
by minehead forever
looks like pontins administrators are struggling to find a buyer to keep the business going as a going concern,the building developers are circling around what could be the soon to close sites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... doze-sites